Zelda Games *Social*
Link to the Past hits the VC. IGN's controversial review.
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AdmiralViscen IV Posted 1/23/2007 8:59:12 AM message detail |
Should make for some interesting discussion. http://wii.ign.com/articles/757/757573p1.html The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is the only Zelda game ever made. It firmly established a formula of adventure game design that balanced out overworld exploration, item acquisition and storyline progression, a formula still followed today. Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, even Ocarina of Time – all just copies of the structure seen here. A Link to the Past is the only true Zelda, and Miyamoto and team simply keep remaking it, over and over. It wasn't the first Zelda released. That honor falls on the original NES adventure that debuted in July of 1987. The first Legend of Zelda saw Shigeru realize a vision of a world of epic grandeur, a game space so large that players found each cartridge had shipped with a physical map. The land of Hyrule was vast, expansive. And you could go anywhere you wanted. Which is why Zelda 1 is less Zelda than its follow-up Zelda would be. The first NES game was free-flowing – there was little stopping you from playing through the game's dungeons out of order, and it had no development of story to speak of. The Legend of Zelda was an excellent game, one of the greatest 8-bit releases ever to come from Nintendo – but ultimately, it was a skeleton frame. A Link to the Past fleshed it out. This SNES sequel refined what Zelda 1 had defined, harmonizing the freedom of exploring Hyrule with a more focused and linear flow. You still had some leeway. You still had plenty of opportunities to get off the beaten path, completing sidequests, goofing around. But the entire game is orchestrated – you feel free in your actions and choices, but all the while you're advancing the story. What do we think of that? --- Join in on One of GameFAQs' Most Historic Boards: ZSB http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=548 {εί} |
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Matelite Posted 1/23/2007 9:21:36 AM message detail |
I'd be willing to say OoT is a remake of LttP in 3D, but not Majoras Mask. Not by a long shot. --- Matelite: I'm king of the world. I'm pretty. I'm a bad man. Texas A&M-12 Texas-7 ***OBSESSION NOTED*** |
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Charismic Zach Gowen Posted 1/23/2007 9:21:58 AM message detail |
If thats true, than there's only one Halo, Final Fantasy, Mario Bros, or any other game that has had sequels. I don't know why but Zelda bashing is popular this year. --- Zachitude Fact #20: CZG is proud to be a Democrat and the #1 Wrestling fan. http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v17/242/78/13753325/s13753325_33570551_4475.jpg |
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Matelite Posted 1/23/2007 9:25:15 AM message detail |
Oh, and maybe in the Dark World you could go out of order, but not in the Light World. --- Matelite: I'm king of the world. I'm pretty. I'm a bad man. Texas A&M-12 Texas-7 ***OBSESSION NOTED*** |
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Tithenion Posted 1/23/2007 9:36:04 AM message detail |
If thats true, than there's only one Halo, Final Fantasy, Mario Bros, or any other game that has had sequels. That's exactly what I was going to say. Games that are good enough to get sequels tend to stick to the formula that made them popular. Just look at Metroid. Just like with Zelda, the first one was more free-roaming. With Super Metroid they gave you a map and the games have been pretty much the same since. That doesn't mean that they're just remaking the same game over and over, it's just that they're sticking with what works. --- Josh... something about your arms makes me crazy pointy. - Peace___Frog's gf |
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FalconPain Posted 1/23/2007 11:29:32 AM message detail |
But there were two Mario games. The sidescrolling platformer and the 3D platformer. They certainly can't be the same game, considering that one doesn't include very many powerups at all and the other doesn't give you any physical attacks. Similarly, there are at least two Castlevania games. So what do they want? Franchises with no common elements between their iterations? We should just ban sequels, then. |
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MacDaddy Mike Posted 1/23/2007 12:03:58 PM message detail |
I'm just glad it got a good review. I personally loved Link to the Past, disliked Ocarina of Time, and loved Majora's Mask. I don't see how the series is trying to remake Link to the Past, especially considering MM and Wind Waker. Ocarina of Time has some similarities, but ultimately, it's a totally different game. --- The ZSB: It's not about you, or me. It's about Zii. {Board 548} SPOOKAY!™, I'm the Grand Polas Champion |
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Matelite Posted 1/23/2007 12:16:59 PM message detail |
I think they do this sometimes just to stir up controversy... --- Matelite: I'm king of the world. I'm pretty. I'm a bad man. Texas A&M-12 Texas-7 ***OBSESSION NOTED*** |
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SamusAran Posted 1/23/2007 12:28:32 PM message detail |
TP was unbelievable, I just need to let it settle in my head a bit, but OoT and ALttP are the two that still fight for my top spot. ALttP's Dark World theme is one of the best. --- After careful non-conscious concentration and consideration, Radiohead makes the absolute best music. |
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HandofThrawn Posted 1/23/2007 2:15:08 PM message detail |
.....That logic seems like it has lots of potential holes. So, all 3D Zeldas are just copies of ALttP because they have the same general mix of freestyle and linear gameplay? By that definition, again, there are two mario games, a set number of Metroid and FF games, etc. How does it account for innovations like MM's clock or WW's sea travel? Is every sailing game down just a revision of WW [or whatever the first sailing-style game may have been]? Hells, that's like saying every game with multiple endings is just a remake of Chrono Trigger. It's taking one aspect of the game [albeit a major, framing one] and making that analagous to the game itself. Which is, again, just crappy logic. Part =/= whole. Sorry. --- {Board 548} What is there left to say?{εί} |
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Mars Posted 1/23/2007 2:57:16 PM message detail |
I have never understood the overhype for LTTP. To me, Link's Awakening is a better game. LTTP has a less compelling story than its Game Boy counterpart did, plus less intriguing characters, music recycled over and over, and a boring overworld.....THERE, I SAID IT. --- "You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii." --TIME on the PS3 www.platypuscomix.net |
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SamusAran Posted 1/23/2007 3:03:13 PM message detail |
Well I saw this one guy at some public place and he was making fun of Zelda and he had a lot of friends around him and I wanted to be his friend so I started making fun of Zelda too and then I started to have a lot of friends and now we all do drugs together. --- After careful non-conscious concentration and consideration, Radiohead makes the absolute best music. |
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FalconPain Posted 1/23/2007 3:07:35 PM message detail |
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Impossible II Posted 1/23/2007 5:59:34 PM message detail |
This is what Casamassina was talking about when he said the IGN staff is filled with morons. --- "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." - Douglas Adams |
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Metriod42 Posted 1/23/2007 6:55:06 PM message detail |
OoT, WW and TP have the same set of rules, so to speak. You start off sleeping, you have to find the three items to prove you need the master sword. Once the Master sword is pulled all goes to ****. You thing must collect what ever to seal away evil. Fight a Gannon at his castle which in either Hyrule castle or near enough. LttP is the pinnacle of zelda, which is why it's been remade over and over. MM and LA are both equals in all aspects as LttP but both follow as sequels to the LttP formula. --- Spoooooooon-The Tick That tall drink of water with the silver spoon up his ***." -Red, The Shawshank Redemption |
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Jimbo009 Posted 1/24/2007 12:12:54 PM message detail |
I always preferred Link's Awakening to Link to the Past myself. I don't see how OOT is a remake of LTTP at all except for the basic story. The gameplay is vastly different really. --- Nobody does it better, makes me feel sad for the rest Nobody does it half as good as you, baby you're the best. |
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durango X3 Posted 1/24/2007 5:40:36 PM message detail |
LttP is the best game ever. It's not right to insult the other games with their opening line, but besides that, LttP is the standard. --- No, being durango is the cool thing to do. I guess you win! - freac MGO Name: OGNAR PLISKIN |
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Wacky Posted 1/24/2007 6:57:15 PM message detail |
Yeah, LA over LttP for me too. I tried getting into the GBA version, but lost interest in the Dark World. --- It's like going into a pet store and asking for a dog, only to be confronted by the guy behind the counter, who tells you they have fish.~Hawk Eye about Impy |
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fanboymaster Posted 1/24/2007 7:43:05 PM message detail |
So instead of commenting on LttP they decide to use the opporutunity to state that series isn't innovative enough,this reminds me of 1ups Neverwinter Nights 2 review except 1up had the decency to take the NWN 2 review down because it was less a critique of the game and more an angry attack on the genre. --- Apprentice Pacman breeder (*< (^< (`< (~< Um,I am mature Source ESRB-TruthSmoker |
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AdmiralViscen IV Posted 1/30/2007 7:46:11 PM message detail |
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Neeyahaha Posted 1/30/2007 9:03:01 PM message detail |
There's supposed to be a space after commas, fanboy. --- Final Twilight 1100 {548} |
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jukester Posted 1/30/2007 9:58:58 PM message detail |
^I've seen a kid post with commas instead of apostrophes AND didn't put a space afterwards..... And LttP darkworld dungeons could not be done out of order completely. You needed the Hammer from the 1st one to get to the second one, I believe. The third and fourth could be interchangeable I believe. But I think they both needed to come before the 5th ice dungeon. Which came before the 6th swamp dungeon. And you needed the 6th dungeon's item to even begin Turtle Rock. jukester |
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fanboymaster Posted 1/31/2007 10:26:10 AM message detail |
From Neeyahaha There's supposed to be a space after commas, fanboy. Sorry, wasn't thinking. --- Apprentice Pacman breeder (*< (^< (`< (~< Um,I am mature Source ESRB-TruthSmoker |
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Neeyahaha Posted 1/31/2007 3:12:32 PM message detail |
I'm managed to skip the 5th dungeon accidently at least once, maybe twice. --- Final Twilight 1100 {548} |
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Star Man Posted 1/31/2007 4:20:57 PM message detail |
Yeah, the scratch on experiencing Meditations on First Philosophy than travelling bewtween dimensions. Though both are dipping into metaphysics. Either way, Link's Awakening FTMFW --- "I only eat raw elephant steak smothered in high-grade motor oil." - Valdyr |
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jukester Posted 1/31/2007 4:26:02 PM message detail |
Well, Nee, you'd need the item from the 4th dungeon to get there, the Titan Mitt (or is it the Power Glove?) to lift the black rock to get to the portal to the dark world. jukester |
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Neeyahaha Posted 1/31/2007 6:08:31 PM message detail |
That's fine. I don't remember what's really needed to go where. Just thought I throw that out there. Not having the armor from the 5th makes the 6th rediculous. Not totally hard, but all that beeping from always being down on health pissed me off. --- Final Twilight 1100 {548} |
